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SGPD @ AVAP (Live)

NSC

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SGPD, you guys have some crazy stamina. This is exactly the kind of live set I expected from you.....I actually don't think it was too fast.....you had your fast sections and slower sections....I don't think you showed any less grace than in previous performances, although I do think that is something that can be improved. I hated the leprechaun kick when I saw it in the first video but I actually liked it in this set. Just clean up. You have the potential to be a very good live team....actually, while it doesn't work for most teams, I can see you killing half-music half-live once you practice live more.

EDIT: and after reading Meistro's comment about it being "too creative" of a set for live bhangra, which has "boundaries".....I disagree with that completely. I'm sure there will be people on both sides of the fence, but I personally enjoy doing and appreciate seeing creativity in traditional bhangra, be it live or music, that makes no difference.
 

Meistro

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NSC said:
EDIT: and after reading Meistro's comment about it being "too creative" of a set for live bhangra, which has "boundaries".....I disagree with that completely. I'm sure there will be people on both sides of the fence, but I personally enjoy doing and appreciate seeing creativity in traditional bhangra, be it live or music, that makes no difference.
pointless to respond to this.
 

NSC

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Meistro said:
NSC said:
EDIT: and after reading Meistro's comment about it being "too creative" of a set for live bhangra, which has "boundaries".....I disagree with that completely. I'm sure there will be people on both sides of the fence, but I personally enjoy doing and appreciate seeing creativity in traditional bhangra, be it live or music, that makes no difference.
pointless to respond to this.
It was pointless of you to point that out.
 

Meistro

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NSC said:
Meistro said:
NSC said:
EDIT: and after reading Meistro's comment about it being "too creative" of a set for live bhangra, which has "boundaries".....I disagree with that completely. I'm sure there will be people on both sides of the fence, but I personally enjoy doing and appreciate seeing creativity in traditional bhangra, be it live or music, that makes no difference.
pointless to respond to this.
It was pointless of you to point that out.
yeah, so its TOTALLY ok to put leperchaun kicks in a live set right NSC? That among other things that SGPD did in their AVAP performance, belongs in a gimmicky recorded music set with a nutty mix with remixes with american music. LIVE traditional bhangra should be creative within boundaries such that you are still keeping the artform pure. Half of the SGPD guys were on TEB. I LOVED their set at DDA, they showed their skill, while still being creative and respecting the artform's purity. What SGPD did at AVAP was basically do a set that they would normally do to recorded music, and instead did it to Live boliyan and dhol. Live bhangra is not that simple, and that is why I was not able to appreciate their performance as much as I did TEB's at DDA. (Sidenote: The reason why I keep comparing the two is being both teams have SGPD's influence in the sense that the dancers overlapped. )
 

Vic

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Meistro said:
NSC said:
Meistro said:
NSC said:
EDIT: and after reading Meistro's comment about it being "too creative" of a set for live bhangra, which has "boundaries".....I disagree with that completely. I'm sure there will be people on both sides of the fence, but I personally enjoy doing and appreciate seeing creativity in traditional bhangra, be it live or music, that makes no difference.
pointless to respond to this.
It was pointless of you to point that out.
yeah, so its TOTALLY ok to put leperchaun kicks in a live set right NSC? That among other things that SGPD did in their AVAP performance, belongs in a gimmicky recorded music set with a nutty mix with remixes with american music. LIVE traditional bhangra should be creative within boundaries such that you are still keeping the artform pure. Half of the SGPD guys were on TEB. I LOVED their set at DDA, they showed their skill, while still being creative and respecting the artform's purity. What SGPD did at AVAP was basically do a set that they would normally do to recorded music, and instead did it to Live boliyan and dhol. Live bhangra is not that simple, and that is why I was not able to appreciate their performance as much as I did TEB's at DDA. (Sidenote: The reason why I keep comparing the two is being both teams have SGPD's influence in the sense that the dancers overlapped. )
We got the leperchaun kick from an india video...
 

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Lalli Saini said:
the only thing i didnt like was that they moved too much... like i m not sayin that they didnt use the traditional circle stuff or two lines etc. They could have executed their moves even better if they didnt move after every little move... too many formations sumtimes kill the grace of the move
Sukhe read this.
 

Kaur

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Vic said:
Meistro said:
NSC said:
Meistro said:
NSC said:
EDIT: and after reading Meistro's comment about it being "too creative" of a set for live bhangra, which has "boundaries".....I disagree with that completely. I'm sure there will be people on both sides of the fence, but I personally enjoy doing and appreciate seeing creativity in traditional bhangra, be it live or music, that makes no difference.
pointless to respond to this.
It was pointless of you to point that out.
yeah, so its TOTALLY ok to put leperchaun kicks in a live set right NSC? That among other things that SGPD did in their AVAP performance, belongs in a gimmicky recorded music set with a nutty mix with remixes with american music. LIVE traditional bhangra should be creative within boundaries such that you are still keeping the artform pure. Half of the SGPD guys were on TEB. I LOVED their set at DDA, they showed their skill, while still being creative and respecting the artform's purity. What SGPD did at AVAP was basically do a set that they would normally do to recorded music, and instead did it to Live boliyan and dhol. Live bhangra is not that simple, and that is why I was not able to appreciate their performance as much as I did TEB's at DDA. (Sidenote: The reason why I keep comparing the two is being both teams have SGPD's influence in the sense that the dancers overlapped. )
We got the leperchaun kick from an india video...


Yup I have the video, little do you ppl know..
 

Meistro

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......and I said that was AMONG MANY things that didn't belong. lets try and focus on my post as a whole next time if one would like to respond to it and not just take tidbits that one may believe is 100% correct. sure, if they got it from the india video, fine, not sure if that still makes it acceptable in my opinion, but as I mentioned before there was far more than just that move.
 

NSC

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Vic said:
Meistro said:
NSC said:
Meistro said:
NSC said:
EDIT: and after reading Meistro's comment about it being "too creative" of a set for live bhangra, which has "boundaries".....I disagree with that completely. I'm sure there will be people on both sides of the fence, but I personally enjoy doing and appreciate seeing creativity in traditional bhangra, be it live or music, that makes no difference.
pointless to respond to this.
It was pointless of you to point that out.
yeah, so its TOTALLY ok to put leperchaun kicks in a live set right NSC? That among other things that SGPD did in their AVAP performance, belongs in a gimmicky recorded music set with a nutty mix with remixes with american music. LIVE traditional bhangra should be creative within boundaries such that you are still keeping the artform pure. Half of the SGPD guys were on TEB. I LOVED their set at DDA, they showed their skill, while still being creative and respecting the artform's purity. What SGPD did at AVAP was basically do a set that they would normally do to recorded music, and instead did it to Live boliyan and dhol. Live bhangra is not that simple, and that is why I was not able to appreciate their performance as much as I did TEB's at DDA. (Sidenote: The reason why I keep comparing the two is being both teams have SGPD's influence in the sense that the dancers overlapped. )
We got the leperchaun kick from an india video...
EDIT: Saw Meistro's response after I had already posted. Meistro thats fine that you think SGPD didn't keep the artform pure. You are entitled to your opinion. Although we are both traditional bhangra enthusiasts, we see differently on the aspect of creativity in traditional bhangra and that probably won't change.
 

Vic

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First off, We did not get that from an india.

BUT since i said it was... now your "not sure" if its acceptable.

Here's how it is... and i'll say it flat out. If our set was performed by an india team and posted on youtube for you to watch... it would be "acceptable" for a north american team to follow it as a guideline to making a routine.


here's the difference. what we perform is traditional bhangra. Can you tell me something that was missing? before an india video is posted or comes from india with a spiced up version of of sial koti, dhamaal or anything, we will spice it up ourselves. do we not have a brain to think of a way to make something more interesting? its ok that some of you can only think "inside a box". meaning that you will only find things "acceptable" if it comes from india.... but its nice to see the responses that show that there are people who can think "outside the box" and enjoy it.

With that being said i will continue to read ur opinions and critiques.

P.S. a very small portion of TEB set had to do with SGPD idea's. The set was made by TEB. on small things sgpd dancers had input. If you would like to know what those parts were u can mssg me.
 

NSC

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Vic said:
First off, We did not get that from an india.

BUT since i said it was... now your "not sure" if its acceptable.

Here's how it is... and i'll say it flat out. If our set was performed by an india team and posted on youtube for you to watch... it would be "acceptable" for a north american team to follow it as a guideline to making a routine.


here's the difference. what we perform is traditional bhangra. Can you tell me something that was missing? before an india video is posted or comes from india with a spiced up version of of sial koti, dhamaal or anything, we will spice it up ourselves. do we not have a brain to think of a way to make something more interesting? its ok that some of you can only think "inside a box". meaning that you will only find things "acceptable" if it comes from india.... but its nice to see the responses that show that there are people who can think "outside the box" and enjoy it.

With that being said i will continue to read ur opinions and critiques.

P.S. a very small portion of TEB set had to do with SGPD idea's. The set was made by TEB. on small things sgpd dancers had input. If you would like to know what those parts were u can mssg me.
Thank you Vic...you took the words right out of my mouth. I have made this point in the past. I think its garbage that as soon as India teams come up with something new, its automatically hardcore legit traditional fire. I fully agree with you. Keep doing what you do, just work on the grace and clean it up.
 

Meistro

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Vic said:
First off, We did not get that from an india.

BUT since i said it was... now your "not sure" if its acceptable.

Here's how it is... and i'll say it flat out. If our set was performed by an india team and posted on youtube for you to watch... it would be "acceptable" for a north american team to follow it as a guideline to making a routine.


here's the difference. what we perform is traditional bhangra. Can you tell me something that was missing? before an india video is posted or comes from india with a spiced up version of of sial koti, dhamaal or anything, we will spice it up ourselves. do we not have a brain to think of a way to make something more interesting? its ok that some of you can only think "inside a box". meaning that you will only find things "acceptable" if it comes from india.... but its nice to see the responses that show that there are people who can think "outside the box" and enjoy it.

With that being said i will continue to read ur opinions and critiques.

P.S. a very small portion of TEB set had to do with SGPD idea's. The set was made by TEB. on small things sgpd dancers had input. If you would like to know what those parts were u can mssg me.
let me clarify your notion that I believe that "everything that comes from india is acceptable" because its not. There are the elite teams who dominate the bhangra world like Sadhar college. Do you ever see them doing anything "out of the box" in their live sets? Yeah, thats what makes them so powerful. They are creative while staying within the boundaries of the artform. Does that mean they dont have brains and cant think for themselves?

I believe you are taking my "not sure" statement a little too literally there sir. I didn't mean that I wasn't sure and that it boggled my mind. If you read my previous posts I still found it unacceptable, but since you decided to counter my statement with "oh but it came from india" I diplomatically gave you the benefit of the doubt by saying "not sure if thats STILL acceptable in my opinion".

Wanna think outside the box? I never said there was anything wrong with that. Not at all, but keep that in a recorded music routine. Remember when people went nuts over DAVIET copying NSJ's khunda swing? Yeah, that was unacceptable. I found it pretty jalloose considering it was a live set in india. But since NSJ did it in their recorded music set, I thought it was pretty tite.

Do mean to tell me that the next time you go live you're gonna go ahead and make natural bass drops by beating a cow's hide? How about some cymbals to complete your leperchaun kicks? Im sure that would be pretty sick eh? Thats pretty outside the box wouldnt you think?

My point being is that you should distinguish what belongs in live bhangra and recorded music bhangra. I never said SGPD wasnt a traditional team once. And if I did, please site my wording. Its just that the "spicy gimmicky stuff" has its own place, and that place is NOT live bhangra. No disrespect to SGPD or anything, Im just stating my opinion about their AVAP set constructively. Its their choice how they would like to take it.
 

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Vic said:
here's the difference. what we perform is traditional bhangra. Can you tell me something that was missing? before an india video is posted or comes from india with a spiced up version of of sial koti, dhamaal or anything, we will spice it up ourselves. do we not have a brain to think of a way to make something more interesting? its ok that some of you can only think "inside a box". meaning that you will only find things "acceptable" if it comes from india.... but its nice to see the responses that show that there are people who can think "outside the box" and enjoy it.
That should end with a bass drop. Golden.

But Meistro, I do understand what you are trying to convey. But, if a team did modern bhangra to a singer/dholi, wouldn't that be considered live? Isn't the distinction between live and recorded, how the music is played, not the style of dancing included...
 

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kinnell said:
But Meistro, I do understand what you are trying to convey. But, if a team did modern bhangra to a singer/dholi, wouldn't that be considered live? Isn't the distinction between live and recorded, how the music is played, not the style of dancing included...
style does matter
 

Pooja

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kinnell said:
But Meistro, I do understand what you are trying to convey. But, if a team did modern bhangra to a singer/dholi, wouldn't that be considered live? Isn't the distinction between live and recorded, how the music is played, not the style of dancing included...
Umm...you're kidding right? The styles are completely different...Nachdi Jawani dancing to a recorded music set is not the same set as Rooh Punjab Dee doing a live set...the way the traditional elements flow, the dhol beats, the grace, even the energy is different...which is why people have started having two categories, you can't judge both the same.
 

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kinnell said:
Vic said:
here's the difference. what we perform is traditional bhangra. Can you tell me something that was missing? before an india video is posted or comes from india with a spiced up version of of sial koti, dhamaal or anything, we will spice it up ourselves. do we not have a brain to think of a way to make something more interesting? its ok that some of you can only think "inside a box". meaning that you will only find things "acceptable" if it comes from india.... but its nice to see the responses that show that there are people who can think "outside the box" and enjoy it.
That should end with a bass drop. Golden.

But Meistro, I do understand what you are trying to convey. But, if a team did modern bhangra to a singer/dholi, wouldn't that be considered live? Isn't the distinction between live and recorded, how the music is played, not the style of dancing included...
united does modern Bhangra to Live Dhol and dont play traditional beats and moves, does that mean they should go to music too?.
Meistro said:
Vic said:
First off, We did not get that from an india.

BUT since i said it was... now your "not sure" if its acceptable.

Here's how it is... and i'll say it flat out. If our set was performed by an india team and posted on youtube for you to watch... it would be "acceptable" for a north american team to follow it as a guideline to making a routine.


here's the difference. what we perform is traditional bhangra. Can you tell me something that was missing? before an india video is posted or comes from india with a spiced up version of of sial koti, dhamaal or anything, we will spice it up ourselves. do we not have a brain to think of a way to make something more interesting? its ok that some of you can only think "inside a box". meaning that you will only find things "acceptable" if it comes from india.... but its nice to see the responses that show that there are people who can think "outside the box" and enjoy it.

With that being said i will continue to read ur opinions and critiques.

P.S. a very small portion of TEB set had to do with SGPD idea's. The set was made by TEB. on small things sgpd dancers had input. If you would like to know what those parts were u can mssg me.
There are the elite teams who dominate the bhangra world like Sadhar college. Do you ever see them doing anything "out of the box" in their live sets?
I Dont think u have seen the latest Sadhar College Video then my friend, they do different Rotations and stuff too.
AND Layalpur College even put the Lean in there Jugni LAST YEAR, or is the lean ok to do now?
 

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GAURAV AND MANNA = SICKKKKK


the set was sick the singer was great the outfits were cool and it was even better to see them live..and then chill with them at the after party...
 
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