Saleem I think you need to put a word count restriction on Summy's account, its starting to reach POL status on here... Don't be too afraid to "accidently" hit the IP ban link either, this guy is annoying as hell... He calls out others for hiding behind the internet for using alias screenames, Summy I wanna see a picture of you... No I'm not gay, but I want to attatch a face to your name so your words have more meaning.... And keep laughing at Warrior fans, I can already sense the inferiority complex... hahaha... dipshit..
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We lack an inside game, if we could find something consistently or even remotely consistently inside, we could be even more dangerous, cause right now, if our 3 point shots dont fall, we lose... Stephen Jackson, Baron Davis and Monte Ellis are crazy hard to stop, but you cant expect them to make every shot...
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Harman, whos getting upset? hahah, take yourself down a notch brother, your inconsistent analysis doesnt carry much weight.
#1) Jermaine Oneal is not healthy? The year he played only 44 games, was the year he was suspended for the Brawl. The next season Oneal played 51 games. The pacers went to the playoffs. He missed some games because of a left ankel sprain. The next season he missed 13 games because of swelling and soreness. The next season after that, was last season, where he missed games but could have played, as he has said in every interview, including Bird, even after the trade, that he would have been there every night if he was playing for a contender.
So because a guy has been off and on for a couple of years doesnt mean hes ruined goods. He is 29 years old, still a young guy. So, his injury problems stem from one injury, and he is 100% and so, an injury concern is not as valid as you make it seem
#2) "Actually, it is up to the GM to assemble a team capable of winning a championship. The Heat GM was good enough to pull off a trade for Shaq and draft Wade. He should have won that year. But the year after, messed up. The GM made smart moves for teh Heat for a year, but then he messed up. What is your point?"
MY point is that a GM winning a championship doesnt mean he was the best GM. THAT IS WHY THE GM OF THE YEAR ISNT HANDED OUT TO THE CHAMPIONSHIP WINNING TEAM'S DID-- YOUR CRITERIA IS FLAW.
The Shaq trade was actually initiated by Mitch K, so Randy Pfund didnt really do much. Shaq was going to be moved (cant remember if it was him). He couldnt even keep his coach the next season never mind a winning team.
The GM hires the coach, it ends there. The GM cant be responsible for the sub par coaching. What Phil Jackson could do with a roster, is completly different than what Sam Mitchell could do.
OH BY THE WAY, First year as Colangelo as the GM, the Raptors won 47 not 27.
I like how you forgot to mention Dumars passing up on all those guys in the draft for Darko. Smart. Id do the same.
Yeah, you really believe that JErry West would do that to the Grizz for his old team. What are you talking about, almost every year the deadline, guys with huge contracts coming off the books are traded. It happened last year with Marion, everyone know he was going to opt out, and Miami wanted that space. EVERY year without fail, there is a trrade like that, so I have NO cule what your talking about.
Why Colangelo did the trade:
a) a one year experiment. The guy is healthy, the best frontcourt in the entire NBA. If not, the year after that his 22 mill will allow the raptors to have the most cap space in the entire NBA, the same time that Bosh can opt out, and become a RA.
Its a smart move, if you have one year to experiment, and the next year, you have trade bait, and cap space, then its a smart move.
You really dont get that eh?
Vick, go eat a big mac bro.
#1) Jermaine Oneal is not healthy? The year he played only 44 games, was the year he was suspended for the Brawl. The next season Oneal played 51 games. The pacers went to the playoffs. He missed some games because of a left ankel sprain. The next season he missed 13 games because of swelling and soreness. The next season after that, was last season, where he missed games but could have played, as he has said in every interview, including Bird, even after the trade, that he would have been there every night if he was playing for a contender.
So because a guy has been off and on for a couple of years doesnt mean hes ruined goods. He is 29 years old, still a young guy. So, his injury problems stem from one injury, and he is 100% and so, an injury concern is not as valid as you make it seem
#2) "Actually, it is up to the GM to assemble a team capable of winning a championship. The Heat GM was good enough to pull off a trade for Shaq and draft Wade. He should have won that year. But the year after, messed up. The GM made smart moves for teh Heat for a year, but then he messed up. What is your point?"
MY point is that a GM winning a championship doesnt mean he was the best GM. THAT IS WHY THE GM OF THE YEAR ISNT HANDED OUT TO THE CHAMPIONSHIP WINNING TEAM'S DID-- YOUR CRITERIA IS FLAW.
The Shaq trade was actually initiated by Mitch K, so Randy Pfund didnt really do much. Shaq was going to be moved (cant remember if it was him). He couldnt even keep his coach the next season never mind a winning team.
The GM hires the coach, it ends there. The GM cant be responsible for the sub par coaching. What Phil Jackson could do with a roster, is completly different than what Sam Mitchell could do.
OH BY THE WAY, First year as Colangelo as the GM, the Raptors won 47 not 27.
I like how you forgot to mention Dumars passing up on all those guys in the draft for Darko. Smart. Id do the same.
Yeah, you really believe that JErry West would do that to the Grizz for his old team. What are you talking about, almost every year the deadline, guys with huge contracts coming off the books are traded. It happened last year with Marion, everyone know he was going to opt out, and Miami wanted that space. EVERY year without fail, there is a trrade like that, so I have NO cule what your talking about.
Why Colangelo did the trade:
a) a one year experiment. The guy is healthy, the best frontcourt in the entire NBA. If not, the year after that his 22 mill will allow the raptors to have the most cap space in the entire NBA, the same time that Bosh can opt out, and become a RA.
Its a smart move, if you have one year to experiment, and the next year, you have trade bait, and cap space, then its a smart move.
You really dont get that eh?
Vick, go eat a big mac bro.
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mike myers joke, wow.
Vick, I heard those ripples in the waves behind you in that pic, was from you jumping up and down when you found out mommy got your supersized fries....
14 games over 500 AND WATCHING THE RAPTORS ON TV DURING THE PLAYOFFS. hahahaa, golden state, what a horrible place to play. They have never been relevent, and you guys will never be. Vick, stop cheering for everyone elses team.
hahah golden state, just beucase you have no team, doesnt mean you have to cheer for the crappiest.
AFTER 12 STRAIGHT YEARS OF A LOSING RECORD, BEING THE WORST TEAM IN THE NBA, you get one season where you went 2 wins over .500 and beat a former Donny Nelson coached team and all of a sudden you guys are respectable? Uhh no.
12 years stright of sucking is what defines the warriors.
Vick, I heard those ripples in the waves behind you in that pic, was from you jumping up and down when you found out mommy got your supersized fries....
14 games over 500 AND WATCHING THE RAPTORS ON TV DURING THE PLAYOFFS. hahahaa, golden state, what a horrible place to play. They have never been relevent, and you guys will never be. Vick, stop cheering for everyone elses team.
hahah golden state, just beucase you have no team, doesnt mean you have to cheer for the crappiest.
AFTER 12 STRAIGHT YEARS OF A LOSING RECORD, BEING THE WORST TEAM IN THE NBA, you get one season where you went 2 wins over .500 and beat a former Donny Nelson coached team and all of a sudden you guys are respectable? Uhh no.
12 years stright of sucking is what defines the warriors.
Summy how stupid are you? They play in two different conferences you moron... You guys play in the pee wee league of the NBA... Yea Boston won, every dog has its day... Even in the pee wee league you guys went .500... Play in the western conference, I doubt you would win more than 35 games... Ask any player whose played in Oracle Arena, they say its one of the most intimidating in the league, right up there with Utah... It's a great place to play, but ofcourse the uneducated would think otherwise... Once again, your ass gets handed to... yea we sucked for a long time, but I'll tell you what, no team wants to face the Warriors in the first round... Raptors would shit bricks if they played the warriors in the playoffs... Summy pleae go back to POL and pick on those inferior to you, your boring me out here...
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Nobody wants to play the warriors?
Ummm, maybe the 9 other better teams in the west, wouldnt mind.
Oh yeah, Utah wouldnt mind either, considering they handed you guys your asses after you beat the Mavericks which is only thing you warrior fans hold on to.
Yeah everyone forgot how you were the laughing stock of the NBA for over a decade.
How everytime, for 12 years, we see the warriors on our schedule, we would take a night off.
You've sucked for long, and you get lucky ONE YEAR, and your the stuff all of a sudden.
By the way, go 49ers eh, you really have a knack for picking out other peoples teams.
Surprised your not a pirates fan too.
Ummm, maybe the 9 other better teams in the west, wouldnt mind.
Oh yeah, Utah wouldnt mind either, considering they handed you guys your asses after you beat the Mavericks which is only thing you warrior fans hold on to.
Yeah everyone forgot how you were the laughing stock of the NBA for over a decade.
How everytime, for 12 years, we see the warriors on our schedule, we would take a night off.
You've sucked for long, and you get lucky ONE YEAR, and your the stuff all of a sudden.
By the way, go 49ers eh, you really have a knack for picking out other peoples teams.
Surprised your not a pirates fan too.
Summy get over my email address. If there was one way for me to show you how long I've had it, I would show you.. Let's say it's been over a decade... When I created it, there were two reasons behind it, 1) I loved Tupac, 2) I loved the Niners, I put those two ideas together and thats what I came out with... I'm not a thug, I'm not anything remotely near a thug, I dont aspire to be a thug, nor do I promote the thug culture. It's not my main email address, it's mostly used for message boards and other non-important things.. You need to stop analyzing my picture, it's getting kinda weird with you completely breaking it down pixel by pixel... I guess you couldnt find a girl, so I guess the next best thing is to check out other guys eh? Summy you can count to five right? count em B*^$%..
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Its all good we are having fun... 2 pac, hahahahhaah, who? The dead guy who died for an act he put for a bunch of kids, ohhh that guy. The guy who made immigrant children relate to a thuglife that they could never live, oh that guy.
I can count to 5, but can you count to 13?
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/127/344272463_67a8aeeee9.jpg?v=0
http://home.earthlink.net/~ob1gui/oped/sfsucks.htm
THE NINERS? HHAhAHAAHAHAH. Montana, and Young. Two guys that saved the most garbage franchise in the NFL. When was the last time the niners were taken seriously?
Keep on hanging on Alex Smith, you'll win games soon.
HEY HARMAN,
Ask Joe Dumars, if Darko's Milic's career 3.2 points per game is better than passing up on Bosh, Wade, Anthony, Henrich, Barbosa, and list GOES ON AND ON AND ON
GOOD GM, Right......
Amazing move.
But I will give it to the pistons, after all, their fans do live in .........detroit........ so its like God's consolation prize. You live in the worst city in the world, but at least you have a decent ball team.
I can count to 5, but can you count to 13?
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/127/344272463_67a8aeeee9.jpg?v=0
http://home.earthlink.net/~ob1gui/oped/sfsucks.htm
THE NINERS? HHAhAHAAHAHAH. Montana, and Young. Two guys that saved the most garbage franchise in the NFL. When was the last time the niners were taken seriously?
Keep on hanging on Alex Smith, you'll win games soon.
HEY HARMAN,
Ask Joe Dumars, if Darko's Milic's career 3.2 points per game is better than passing up on Bosh, Wade, Anthony, Henrich, Barbosa, and list GOES ON AND ON AND ON
GOOD GM, Right......
Amazing move.
But I will give it to the pistons, after all, their fans do live in .........detroit........ so its like God's consolation prize. You live in the worst city in the world, but at least you have a decent ball team.
That link about the Niners sucking so bad is 1000 words about one theme, "Niners had a weak division", sounds like one of your buddies wrote it or something... Yea we played in a weak division, and we took advantage of it, your raptors still suck playing in that 3rd grade eastern conference league... You cant go back and look at stats like, "oh the niners didnt play the steelers of the 70's", what kinda gay analogy is that? It's like saying, "oh the Patriots didn't play the Niners of the 80's, they would never win so many titles"... Makes no sense... Different era, different teams... Nice Maple Leafs banners, its been like 42 years since you guys won one, keep milking those banners for all they're worth... You make the 13 year superbowl winless streak for Niner fans look good... You guys picked up the Sharks ex coach, hahahahahahha... go ahead and have our garbage, you'll suck for another 10 year now... Go call 1800-WeDoYOU (yes even you Summy).... See I'm looking out for you... Heed my advice and become a man and not just another internet troll...
Summy even Criagslist is making it easier for you...
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/06/27/child.prostitution/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/06/27/child.prostitution/index.html
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Vick, the sharks picked up nobody special in the draft. They re-signed roenick for another year. BIG WHOOP! Goc, Clowe, and Eirhoff are free agents. Will they come back? LOLLLLL. Who wants to play for the sharks.................lolll go ahead and rant about how the Canucks didnt make the playoffs. They had one bad season, its all good. They'll pick up next season. At least we didnt kiss calgary's bundh like you guys did (last game of the season doesnt count). hahahahahhahaah. Iginla dey chamchey!
We dont need the draft, we're already stacked... Joe, Cheech, Marleau, Clowe, Campbell, Pavelski, Nabakov Roenick... I'll tell you why Roenick is important, he wont fill up the stat sheet, but he gives the team an edge, and everyone he knows the Sharks thinks they're soft, which is true to some extent. But he gives us that little extra "we wont be pushed around" mentality... Calgary was a tough opponent, they play hard... But who went golfing first? Remember it's not the number hits you dish out, it's the score that matters... And trust me if the Sharks and Calgary were to have an all out brawl, the Sharks would rape calgary.
Calgary's 5 biggest:
1)Cory Sarich 6'4 - 207
2) Robyn Regehr 6'3 - 225
3)Dion Phaneuf 6' 3 - 214
4)Anders Erikkson 6'3 - 224
5)Erik Godard 6'4 - 214
Sharks 5 biggest:
1)Kyle Maclaren 6'4 - 235
2) Douglas Murray 6'3 - 240
3)Jody Shelley 6'4 - 230
4)Joe Thornton 6'4 - 235
5)Alezei Semenov 6'6 - 235
Not even close...
Calgary's 5 biggest:
1)Cory Sarich 6'4 - 207
2) Robyn Regehr 6'3 - 225
3)Dion Phaneuf 6' 3 - 214
4)Anders Erikkson 6'3 - 224
5)Erik Godard 6'4 - 214
Sharks 5 biggest:
1)Kyle Maclaren 6'4 - 235
2) Douglas Murray 6'3 - 240
3)Jody Shelley 6'4 - 230
4)Joe Thornton 6'4 - 235
5)Alezei Semenov 6'6 - 235
Not even close...
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"HEY HARMAN,
Ask Joe Dumars, if Darko's Milic's career 3.2 points per game is better than passing up on Bosh, Wade, Anthony, Henrich, Barbosa, and list GOES ON AND ON AND ON
GOOD GM, Right......
Amazing move.
But I will give it to the pistons, after all, their fans do live in .........detroit........ so its like God's consolation prize. You live in the worst city in the world, but at least you have a decent ball team."
Listen man, if you are seriously debating whether Dumars is a good GM or not, I dont know what to say to you. The guy is the GM of one of the most consistent teams in NBA history and has a championship to prove it. Does Colangelo have that? No. Yes, Dumars messed up with the Darko pick. But guess what? Every year, without fail, their is a draft bust. Dumars' draft history is one thing you can challenge, but the man is the best, or in the top 3 of GMs in the league. The record speaks for itself. The teams he put together are built correctly: with defense and players with smart IQ...and always with chemistry. He signed some guy named Billups when everyone thought he was nothing more than an average PG, traded for Hamilton when Stackhouse was at his prime and everyone thought he was crazy, drafted Prince when everyone said he was too skinny and not durable enough for the NBA game, traded spare pieces for Rasheed Wallace and traded for an unknown Ben Wallace. Then the guy maintained this roster and added other pieces to keep them as the most consistent team in the Eastern conference in the 2000s.
Colangelo's teams have ALWAYS been flawed. I am not acting like I am some basketball genius, but come on man...he has always paid little to no attention to defense and has hired coaches who use a flawed system. The coaches he hire are his responsibility. He hired D'Antoni knowing his track record and his coaching style. He got exactly what he should have expected. You fault Dumars for hiring good coaches like Larry Brown who focus on defense..lol come on man..that is what a good GM does. Dumars was a member of the Bad Boys team and tried to build this Pistons team around the same mold. Colangelo chose to hire a coach with the philosophy of run and gun on his mind- his fault.
"they have never been relevent, and you guys will never be."- Yes, because the Raptors have a long and storied past of championships. Lol.
You say Vick has no right hating on the Raptors when the Warriors were @ home, yet here you are hating on the Pistons when they were in the ECF for the 6th straight year while the Raptors once again were unable to make it out of the 1st round. Hypocricy? Maybe.
I never said O'Neal was a horrible player, but your idea that this trade puts the Raptors in the drivers seat for the EC is absurd. He is an often injured, soft player who is on the downside of his career. Be realistic, it was an okay move, but does not make the Raptors a championship squad. We will see this time next year, and I will gladly dig this topic up to see what you have to say about him.
About the actual city of Detroit, you are 100% correct. The city is in shambles and has little to no hope with leadership like Kwame Kilpatrick's. What can I say? The city has too many problems to name, the biggest probably being a 23% graduation rate from high school.
And just to end this post, here is a quote from Summy about the Raptors posted on POL: "none of that sh*t in our house.... call up David stern and tell him just to hand the eastern conference title to the raps...
Raptors in 6... "
Yes Summy, Raptors in 6 against the Magic. That worked out well.
Ask Joe Dumars, if Darko's Milic's career 3.2 points per game is better than passing up on Bosh, Wade, Anthony, Henrich, Barbosa, and list GOES ON AND ON AND ON
GOOD GM, Right......
Amazing move.
But I will give it to the pistons, after all, their fans do live in .........detroit........ so its like God's consolation prize. You live in the worst city in the world, but at least you have a decent ball team."
Listen man, if you are seriously debating whether Dumars is a good GM or not, I dont know what to say to you. The guy is the GM of one of the most consistent teams in NBA history and has a championship to prove it. Does Colangelo have that? No. Yes, Dumars messed up with the Darko pick. But guess what? Every year, without fail, their is a draft bust. Dumars' draft history is one thing you can challenge, but the man is the best, or in the top 3 of GMs in the league. The record speaks for itself. The teams he put together are built correctly: with defense and players with smart IQ...and always with chemistry. He signed some guy named Billups when everyone thought he was nothing more than an average PG, traded for Hamilton when Stackhouse was at his prime and everyone thought he was crazy, drafted Prince when everyone said he was too skinny and not durable enough for the NBA game, traded spare pieces for Rasheed Wallace and traded for an unknown Ben Wallace. Then the guy maintained this roster and added other pieces to keep them as the most consistent team in the Eastern conference in the 2000s.
Colangelo's teams have ALWAYS been flawed. I am not acting like I am some basketball genius, but come on man...he has always paid little to no attention to defense and has hired coaches who use a flawed system. The coaches he hire are his responsibility. He hired D'Antoni knowing his track record and his coaching style. He got exactly what he should have expected. You fault Dumars for hiring good coaches like Larry Brown who focus on defense..lol come on man..that is what a good GM does. Dumars was a member of the Bad Boys team and tried to build this Pistons team around the same mold. Colangelo chose to hire a coach with the philosophy of run and gun on his mind- his fault.
"they have never been relevent, and you guys will never be."- Yes, because the Raptors have a long and storied past of championships. Lol.
You say Vick has no right hating on the Raptors when the Warriors were @ home, yet here you are hating on the Pistons when they were in the ECF for the 6th straight year while the Raptors once again were unable to make it out of the 1st round. Hypocricy? Maybe.
I never said O'Neal was a horrible player, but your idea that this trade puts the Raptors in the drivers seat for the EC is absurd. He is an often injured, soft player who is on the downside of his career. Be realistic, it was an okay move, but does not make the Raptors a championship squad. We will see this time next year, and I will gladly dig this topic up to see what you have to say about him.
About the actual city of Detroit, you are 100% correct. The city is in shambles and has little to no hope with leadership like Kwame Kilpatrick's. What can I say? The city has too many problems to name, the biggest probably being a 23% graduation rate from high school.
And just to end this post, here is a quote from Summy about the Raptors posted on POL: "none of that sh*t in our house.... call up David stern and tell him just to hand the eastern conference title to the raps...
Raptors in 6... "
Yes Summy, Raptors in 6 against the Magic. That worked out well.
