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After knowing you..I'd for abortion.AnkurK said:People, what are your views on abortion?
You know, I understand why some people are against abortion aka pro life, because they believe that life starts at conception. But your arguments have been based on personal responsibility (e.g., "you had sex, now you have a baby"). I get that, too. But you lose me and anger me when you say the rape victim is PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE for being raped. Are you kidding me? "Why were you wearing those clothes, you were just asking for it..." I can't believe you'd blame the rape victim and say "yes, you were responsible for this, you should therefore carry this baby and raise this child of the rapist." This is cold-hearted, impossible to fairly judge (which rapes was the victim not at fault, which rapes was the victim at fault, in your eyes).siddyp said:If you're 21 and decide to walk in a back alley at 2 AM, what the hell were you thinking? you were too lazy to walk to the end of the block and go around? Date Raped? watch your drink at all times.
Agreeeeed. Abortion debates aside, the "blame the victim, you asked for it" mentality is wrong on so many levels. "Watch your drink?" "Don't walk in a back alley?" "Don't get raped?" We can only do our best to avoid a bad situation, but shit does happen. We can always be cautious, but I don't think we should ever tell the victim that its his/her fault that the crime was committed. That's horrific.Saleem said:You know, I understand why some people are against abortion aka pro life, because they believe that life starts at conception. But your arguments have been based on personal responsibility (e.g., "you had sex, now you have a baby"). I get that, too. But you lose me and anger me when you say the rape victim is PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE for being raped. Are you kidding me? "Why were you wearing those clothes, you were just asking for it..." I can't believe you'd blame the rape victim and say "yes, you were responsible for this, you should therefore carry this baby and raise this child of the rapist." This is cold-hearted, impossible to fairly judge (which rapes was the victim not at fault, which rapes was the victim at fault, in your eyes).siddyp said:If you're 21 and decide to walk in a back alley at 2 AM, what the hell were you thinking? you were too lazy to walk to the end of the block and go around? Date Raped? watch your drink at all times.
It's naive to think that the victim could have avoided the rape if (s)he had altered his/her behavior. That's just not always the case. And even if someone was in an alley at 2am, the rapist is still the criminal and the victim should not have to undergo the psychological torture of the next 9 months as well as decades. How ridiculous.
exactly my thoughts saleem. NEVER victim blame. This is exactly the reason why girls who are raped don't use proper resources and get help because people will question them and BLAME them. "why did you go there in the first place", "why did you do that when you knew....", "what were you thinking". Its people like you who make rape victims feel even more helpless and with no control or power over their own lives. Another reason why rape victims in many cases DO NOT tell few, if any, about the incident and keep it bottled up for the rest of their life. For someone to be raped is literally hell. Did you know the victim has to be "searched" for evidence RIGHT AFTER the incident if they decide to get help? They strip down for an investigator right after they've been sexually violated so that the investigator can get some sort of evidence as to catch the criminal. WTF? So you're saying the high school girl that was gang raped in richmond (cali) a few months ago by 20+ people over the course of two hours was ASKING FOR IT?! Are you shitting me? Get your mind right buddy, even though Im not a female, Im highly offended by your low comments. Unbelievable.Saleem said:You know, I understand why some people are against abortion aka pro life, because they believe that life starts at conception. But your arguments have been based on personal responsibility (e.g., "you had sex, now you have a baby"). I get that, too. But you lose me and anger me when you say the rape victim is PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE for being raped. Are you kidding me? "Why were you wearing those clothes, you were just asking for it..." I can't believe you'd blame the rape victim and say "yes, you were responsible for this, you should therefore carry this baby and raise this child of the rapist." This is cold-hearted, impossible to fairly judge (which rapes was the victim not at fault, which rapes was the victim at fault, in your eyes).siddyp said:If you're 21 and decide to walk in a back alley at 2 AM, what the hell were you thinking? you were too lazy to walk to the end of the block and go around? Date Raped? watch your drink at all times.
It's naive to think that the victim could have avoided the rape if (s)he had altered his/her behavior. That's just not always the case. And even if someone was in an alley at 2am, the rapist is still the criminal and the victim should not have to undergo the psychological torture of the next 9 months as well as decades. How ridiculous.
agreed.Meistro said:exactly my thoughts saleem. NEVER victim blame. This is exactly the reason why girls who are raped don't use proper resources and get help because people will question them and BLAME them. "why did you go there in the first place", "why did you do that when you knew....", "what were you thinking". Its people like you who make rape victims feel even more helpless and with no control or power over their own lives. Another reason why rape victims in many cases DO NOT tell few, if any, about the incident and keep it bottled up for the rest of their life. For someone to be raped is literally hell. Did you know the victim has to be "searched" for evidence RIGHT AFTER the incident if they decide to get help? They strip down for an investigator right after they've been sexually violated so that the investigator can get some sort of evidence as to catch the criminal. WTF? So you're saying the high school girl that was gang raped in richmond (cali) a few months ago by 20+ people over the course of two hours was ASKING FOR IT?! Are you shitting me? Get your mind right buddy, even though Im not a female, Im highly offended by your low comments. Unbelievable.Saleem said:You know, I understand why some people are against abortion aka pro life, because they believe that life starts at conception. But your arguments have been based on personal responsibility (e.g., "you had sex, now you have a baby"). I get that, too. But you lose me and anger me when you say the rape victim is PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE for being raped. Are you kidding me? "Why were you wearing those clothes, you were just asking for it..." I can't believe you'd blame the rape victim and say "yes, you were responsible for this, you should therefore carry this baby and raise this child of the rapist." This is cold-hearted, impossible to fairly judge (which rapes was the victim not at fault, which rapes was the victim at fault, in your eyes).siddyp said:If you're 21 and decide to walk in a back alley at 2 AM, what the hell were you thinking? you were too lazy to walk to the end of the block and go around? Date Raped? watch your drink at all times.
It's naive to think that the victim could have avoided the rape if (s)he had altered his/her behavior. That's just not always the case. And even if someone was in an alley at 2am, the rapist is still the criminal and the victim should not have to undergo the psychological torture of the next 9 months as well as decades. How ridiculous.
I still cannot get over this statement. Be smart and nothing will happen? To you, is a victim just a person who didn't take enough precautions? Damn, bro. damn.siddyp said:This is a ticky tacky one. But still, be smart, and nothing will happen.
has to be one of the most uneducated, desi comments I've read in a while. Shit WILL HAPPEN. Its inevitable. You wanna hide inside your house behind locked doors? It will STILL happen. Be smart? Hmmmmm, many of us are college students here, hence that must mean we're "smart" or knowledgeable or think intellectually. Does that mean nothing will happen to us? You wanna know something funny? Many people who do get stalked/raped/sexually assaulted are people like you and me. They aren't low class, drug addicts, alcoholics. They are normal ass people who take precautions just like the rest of us. Damn, I still can't believe this fool would say stuff like that.kinnell said:I still cannot get over this statement. Be smart and nothing will happen? To you, is a victim just a person who didn't take enough precautions? Damn, bro. damn.siddyp said:This is a ticky tacky one. But still, be smart, and nothing will happen.
very controversial.Varun said:Agree with the last few posts. Also, in the book Freakonomics, the authors cite significant correlation between the legalization of abortion in 70s and unprecedented decrease in crime in the 90s. Really interesting and controversial at the same time