What Would You Do? Sikh being refused a job at a restaurant

[Arjun Barua]

What Would You Do? Sikh being refused a job at a restaurant

 

[harjap_singh]

beat they asss

 

[harjap_singh]

On a serious note, a good friend of mine was denied numerous part-time jobs because of his hair. He was a gursikh and was forced into cutting it when he had no other options

 

[Basim]

Props to people that spoke up!

~ Basim

 

[thatpunjabikid]

Props to people that spoke up!

~ Basim

^agreed. And for the bitch @ 2:35, she deserves to get smacked so hard.

 

[SunnyS]

tell em to suck ittt

 

[Ashveer]

sikhcoalition.org
saldef.org

http://www.sikhcoalition.org/advisories/LexusHiring.htm

 

[harjap_singh]

tell em to suck ittt

+1

 

[HdBrar]

Those people that didn't speak up, in my opinion, are pretty ignorant to what Sikhi stands for and why he had to wear his turban.

 

[Deepi253]

personally think you should never ever cut you hair just so you could get a job ... fucking stupid ... plenty of people have become successfull with paghs people have gone far with paghs ... cutting your hair cause your dealing with some iggnorant fool .. just disgusting

 

[HdBrar]

personally think you should never ever cut you hair just so you could get a job ... fucking stupid ... plenty of people have become successfull with paghs people have gone far with paghs ... cutting your hair cause your dealing with some iggnorant fool .. just disgusting

AMEN BROTHER! (True that.)

 

[Ashveer]

personally think you should never ever cut you hair just so you could get a job ... fucking stupid ... plenty of people have become successfull with paghs people have gone far with paghs ... cutting your hair cause your dealing with some iggnorant fool .. just disgusting

AMEN BROTHER! (True that.)

Moat ignorant posts I've read on btf in quite some time. Life wasn't and isnt so easy for everyone.

 

[yraparla]

not to sidetrack, but ashveer's link got me thinking...what if there was a religion that required a tattoo on the face and corporate policy was to avoid salespeople with visible tattoos so as to not deter potential customers? I just always find these things to be slippery slopes...absolutely not saying that the Sikh mentioned in the article didn't deserve the job, or that there shouldn't be efforts made to change the policy...but to me the discrimination wasn't inherently religious so much as it was just standard practice.

Freedom to practice entails freedom to make your decisions. They can't discriminate because he sikh, but at the same time that doesn't mean they have to honor what that entails as well.

e.g. Would we fault Lexus if they said a hire-able candidate was unhireable because of a tattoo? I think we'd find it a silly policy but we probably wouldn't be angry because it's not part of our religion. Selective outrage is not productive. Lexus has every right to hire who they please so long as it's not based on sex, creed, religion, or orientation. This is a case of finding people that fit their brand, I don't see it as discriminatory based on religion, though I may not have read it properly. thoughts? I'm not saying it's right, I'm wondering if it's legal and if it should be legal. I think his action was correct, which even if doesn't lead to a job hopefully starts a push to change the corporate culture to allow facial hair for religious reasons.

 

[HarmanSingh]

personally think you should never ever cut you hair just so you could get a job ... fucking stupid ... plenty of people have become successfull with paghs people have gone far with paghs ... cutting your hair cause your dealing with some iggnorant fool .. just disgusting

AMEN BROTHER! (True that.)

Moat ignorant posts I've read on btf in quite some time. Life wasn't and isnt so easy for everyone.

If you want to be a sardar don't expect "easy". I am curious as to what job he got with his hair cut that he could not get wearing a pagg. If you are committed to being a sardar you would rather starve than cut your hair....or you could just hustle harder for a job. From my experience the majority of people who cut their hair then claim it was because of school, work, etc are just making excuses to justify whey they cut it.

 

[harjap_singh]

personally think you should never ever cut you hair just so you could get a job ... fucking stupid ... plenty of people have become successfull with paghs people have gone far with paghs ... cutting your hair cause your dealing with some iggnorant fool .. just disgusting

AMEN BROTHER! (True that.)

Moat ignorant posts I've read on btf in quite some time. Life wasn't and isnt so easy for everyone.

+1

 

[itsG]

personally think you should never ever cut you hair just so you could get a job ... fucking stupid ... plenty of people have become successfull with paghs people have gone far with paghs ... cutting your hair cause your dealing with some iggnorant fool .. just disgusting

tu rakh la

 

[itsG]

personally think you should never ever cut you hair just so you could get a job ... fucking stupid ... plenty of people have become successfull with paghs people have gone far with paghs ... cutting your hair cause your dealing with some iggnorant fool .. just disgusting

AMEN BROTHER! (True that.)

Moat ignorant posts I've read on btf in quite some time. Life wasn't and isnt so easy for everyone.

+1 everyone has their reasons and sometimes its just reasons u cant explain so well

 

[Nikhil]

Before you read, please note, that I'm not intending to offend anyone. If I have done that, I apologize.

I agree with Swi. When I see the video, it's so inherent for any colored person or religious person different from Christian upbringing to say "RACIST" when something doesn't go as planned.

But what exactly did this guy say that was racist? He said non-denominational. The idea was to create a blind eye in the hiring process so there was no distraction or disruption to efficiency of the business and service. Just like the Husband in the last 2 minutes agreeing with his wife. That guy said he was raised to be blind. Isn't that what the hiring manager was attempting to do? Be blind to ALL religions?
It makes me think, aren't there times in this life where we must also be blind to religion as well? I am not saying forget who you are. I'm saying aren't there times where survival for any reason takes precedence over firm belief? If you cannot survive, what exactly are you preserving?

Now, the old lady at 2 minutes or whatever wasn't as articulate as she could have been, but her point was this: When do you draw the line between pride and survival? I mean please, let's talk about this. Our ancestors from each of our religions sacrified, killed, and shed blood in wars and battles to preserve the sanctity of a creed that we were born into, and that we choose to follow on a regular basis right? But they were attempting to survive when the meaning of that word went hand and hand with their identity. Once they carved the identity and the religion was established, is it possible that they knew well in advance that life and society's boundaries would change from that point on? Is it possible for Guru's and priests to know that people would be more accepting of your religion, or in this day and age, begin to make decisions on a logical basis and not an emotional/religious basis?

I would argue, PROBABLY NOT, because that is why we are encouraged each day to show your faith in some form or another. We are encouraged to show it openly and proudly because we should be respected. But, is it possible that we can all become more logical and realize that we no longer have to have that mentality, unless it is warranted?

I'm speaking from the position of my personal beliefs. I was raised Hindu, and yes I do pray as a Hindu would, but I believe in equality just as much as a Sikh does. I believe in custom and code of conduct just as much as a Muslim would. So really, when I think about my personality, I don't think about 1 religion that defines me. Religion helped me become who I am, but it is not who I am now. So I stay a distance away from it in order to survive. In order to think rationally.

 

[sonehdataweet]

One of my friends is a Sardar, he wanted a job where I worked at so I talked to the Managers and got him hired. Then my managers were all like well he needs to get a letter from the Gurudwara stating that he has to wear a turban for religious purposes. So my friend went to the Gurudwara got the letter and everything was straight. However, I was like REALLY now? You have to prove that wearing a turban is mandatory? Yes companies have an image of how their employees 'should look'. One of my co-workers had dreads, he had to chop them off just to get the job. But, all i'm trying to say is stick to what you believe, and the best will work out!

 

[HarmanSingh]

Before you read, please note, that I'm not intending to offend anyone. If I have done that, I apologize.

I agree with Swi. When I see the video, it's so inherent for any colored person or religious person different from Christian upbringing to say "RACIST" when something doesn't go as planned.

But what exactly did this guy say that was racist? He said non-denominational. The idea was to create a blind eye in the hiring process so there was no distraction or disruption to efficiency of the business and service. Just like the Husband in the last 2 minutes agreeing with his wife. That guy said he was raised to be blind. Isn't that what the hiring manager was attempting to do? Be blind to ALL religions?
It makes me think, aren't there times in this life where we must also be blind to religion as well? I am not saying forget who you are. I'm saying aren't there times where survival for any reason takes precedence over firm belief? If you cannot survive, what exactly are you preserving?

Now, the old lady at 2 minutes or whatever wasn't as articulate as she could have been, but her point was this: When do you draw the line between pride and survival? I mean please, let's talk about this. Our ancestors from each of our religions sacrified, killed, and shed blood in wars and battles to preserve the sanctity of a creed that we were born into, and that we choose to follow on a regular basis right? But they were attempting to survive when the meaning of that word went hand and hand with their identity. Once they carved the identity and the religion was established, is it possible that they knew well in advance that life and society's boundaries would change from that point on? Is it possible for Guru's and priests to know that people would be more accepting of your religion, or in this day and age, begin to make decisions on a logical basis and not an emotional/religious basis?

I would argue, PROBABLY NOT, because that is why we are encouraged each day to show your faith in some form or another. We are encouraged to show it openly and proudly because we should be respected. But, is it possible that we can all become more logical and realize that we no longer have to have that mentality, unless it is warranted?

I'm speaking from the position of my personal beliefs. I was raised Hindu, and yes I do pray as a Hindu would, but I believe in equality just as much as a Sikh does. I believe in custom and code of conduct just as much as a Muslim would. So really, when I think about my personality, I don't think about 1 religion that defines me. Religion helped me become who I am, but it is not who I am now. So I stay a distance away from it in order to survive. In order to think rationally.

It was not racist, as wearing a pagg is not about race. However, asking someone to take off their pagg in order to be hired is xenophobic and bigoted.

But, I am not sure where you are going with this post. Are you suggesting the sardar character in this scenario should compromise and make a "logical decision" of removing his pagg?