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Bhangra Politics in California

Pretti Singhh

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really poor paragraph structure. just saying.


1) if you don't get into a competition one year, you can always apply next year. definitely not the end of the world.


2) being loud and celebrating hard is probably something every team knows about but i think you should know how to control it especially if you're in a hotel or at the competition itself. i'm sure committee members look at your behavior and keep it in mind.


3) just because you don't win first at a competition or place doesn't mean the judges are out to get you. when results come out, many people agree and disagree with them. the winner is the winner. they deserved to win.


another thing. i'm sure you haven't met every bhangra team in the world. just because you assume people don't love it doesn't mean it's true.
if people didn't love bhangra they might not be doing it.
 

KushK

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Please dont get Toronto involved in the thread now.. lol.. we all know what happens then
 

Archana

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sgrewal30 said:
If you're from California then I'm sure you can recognize there is tension with California comps. At the end of the day I think I can speak for everyone when I say we all are here because Bhangra is a passion that at one point or another we wished you could do forever. Cali has some serious problems dude. Look at the last csun, look at what just happened with Ampd at Nachda. Csun's judges told every team their lighting wasnt good enough and that's why they gave 1st to jajde jawani or whoever. Then nachdas said girls shouldn't do Bhangra. Knowing they chose that judge they still accepted Ampd. Their chances were lowered before they even stepped on stage.

There's alot of shady business going down in Cali comps left n right. I can sympathize a bit because BABC placed 1st last year at this comp and when talk about the comp being rigged surfaced fingers were pointed at them for it. Does that make sense to you? Not me. Im not sure if there is an unwritten rule like Boston has saying that teams that placed have a guaranteed spot the next year but. If you placed first and then applied again only to be rejected wouldn't you be curious or even a bit enraged?

I appologise in advance if this post offended or "pissed" anyone off. But if you read it with a bias attitude please gtfo
+1
 

Love

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Ankush said:
If it consoles anyone.. ive always dreamed of competing in Cali with AEG and regardless of this post... one day AEG will take stage in CALIFORNIA... woooo 8)
If AEG were to come to Bruin...I would be the loudest one in the audience lol.

And in regards to this whole situation in California, it does feel like competitions in general over this year/last year have degraded. There are definitely some competitions that feel like they are dishonest or whatever, but at the same time there's probably a few that aren't. I don't really have a comment on the OP, but this is just my overall feeling about Cali comps
 

Rajbir

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kinnell said:
Not to hate, but there are a lot of flaws in your arguments. I apologize but your entire post made my head hurt. For the sake of being logical and structured, I have split up your post and replied to them individually.

BayAreaBhangraClub said:
I would like to share that Bhangra is full of politics.
Introduction. It's always nice to start off with one.

BayAreaBhangraClub said:
No one does Bhangra for the love of it anymore.
Irrelevant. Accusatory and unnecessary. Are you really that sure that no one dances to Bhangra for the love of it? :)
This is a great way to make the reader feel the whining nature of your entire post.

BayAreaBhangraClub said:
Competition committee members are associated with dancers from Bhangra Teams.
Honestly, as long as everything is completely transparent, there isn't anything wrong with teams having some affiliation with competition organizers. As long as no preferential treatment is given, there is really no harm done. It should definitely be avoided, but competition organizers are NOT judges nor do they have any influence on judging and placings.

BayAreaBhangraClub said:
Instead of looking at our winning track record and our stage performance a vote is casted against us, in which we are told that you guys are not selected. Even though we have placed first at this competition. Warrior Bhangra to be precise. It is very unfortunate that there is no set association that overseas how competitions select teams and who is selected for judging a competition. Committee members and other Bhangra team members play this politics game real well.
As said 2493290 times, a competition can chose whichever team they want for their lineup. Any criteria works. They do not have to pick the best teams. Congratulations on your winning another competition, but a competition does not need to factor that into their decision. Why is it so difficult for people to understand that? A competition can/will factor in other issues like "Do I need more geographical diversity?", "Will the audience get bored of watching all 12 man teams?", "Will this local team bring me revenue that I need to be able to pay for team prizes?", "Should I Make the other teams happier by getting another all-girl team?", "Should I give this new team an opportunity to compete with veteran teams?" and even subjective personal things like "Did that team just kick my dog?". Judging, yes, should be objective. Selecting a line-up does not need to be. Hell, a competition organizer could not select a team that had a hundred trophies if they felt that they had too many teams already with the letter A.


BayAreaBhangraClub said:
Anything negative that happens at a competition is blamed on us to ruin our reputation.
Do you have proof? If not, this is irrelevant and a weak attempt at trying to gain sympathy.

BayAreaBhangraClub said:
This is done because we always raise a voice against corrupt judges. So corrupt that some of them give girls zero score for dancing Bhangra. We are denied a score sheet and are told that the committee can not provide a live score sheet instead they will be emailed or faxed to us.
Do you have proof? Honestly, being specific at which competitions did this and which judges did this will benefit the community much much more and will make it seem less like a random whining about not getting into competitions. At least that way, these competitions and judges can either stand behind their actions (and teams/competitions are better off knowing in the future) and defend themselves, if they can.

BayAreaBhangraClub said:
We always stand our ground for the truth. This is very hard to digest for a lot of people.
I always stand for insoluble fiber. That is very hard to digest for ALL people.

BayAreaBhangraClub said:
I will admit that we are the loudest team at competitions and we celebrate hard when we win and we do have our flaws on stage like any other team but we dance with passion and pride. At every local Bhangra event we are there helping teams with paggs. We are also very active in coaching new and upcoming teams. We never ask for any compensation or favors back because we want to maintain the love that is slowly fading away from Bhangra.
Congrats on your sportsmanship conduct. Sadly, there are a few competitions that have that as a criteria to select teams. Oh, you mention that you are loud and that you celebrate hard? Does that mean a lot of drinking and noise complaints at the hotel? Maybe, competitions don't want that.

BayAreaBhangraClub said:
We already know who is going to place or win at Pioneer Bhangra because the only live team performing has no competition plus the committee has selected some nice judges for them. We have no hate towards anyone, we love to compete and showcase our talent on stage.
You clearly have hate against these competitions. And if you know whose going to win, you should seriously put some serious $$ on those wagers. And then you can afford to fly out to competitions outside of the state of California. Sounds like a win-win to me! :)

BayAreaBhangraClub said:
And we know we can do some serious damage when it comes to performing live Bhangra. Maybe that’s another reason teams fear us and set up propaganda against us. This is not our ego talking; this is our confidence and our hard work speaking.
No, that is your ego speaking. You just made a BTF post whining about how no one does Bhangra for the love of it anymore, how teams fear you, set up propaganda against you, how competitions blame you for everything bad and how they blamed the last season of Entourage on your team. You think you are entitled to get into competitions just because you have a few trophies and if you don't place, its because competitions have corrupt judges (that irrelevant to your team, are sexist against women). As I see it, there is a line between ego and confidence, and you're so far in ego that you can't even see the line anymore.

BayAreaBhangraClub said:
We could have just simply stayed quiet and followed Mr. Gandhi’s footsteps but that would have taken years to get our point across. The reality is that we have immense love for this folkdance and we will not let a group of people infiltrate it with politics and hate.
Mr. Gandhi did not have a BTF account. Comparing your efforts to his just adds to my point on how egotistical you are.

BayAreaBhangraClub said:
I will encourage people to spread love and do the right thing for the sake of Bhangra. Every competition should look at team credentials when selecting teams and try to stop bias from happening. This is not a sympathy letter; this is to let the world know what is happening around Bhangra in this State of California .
As said before, selecting a line-up is a subjective process. Your opinion may be that it should be objective, but the general consensus amongst almost competitions is that they will pick who they want, but they will ensure a fair judging process. If you don't like it, then don't apply. If you love bhangra that much, then just go for exhibition performances and exhibition events.

This is a sympathy letter. This is not a public service announcement. If you have specific incidents, put them out in the open. But for the love of BTF, don't throw around silly accusations like "everything bad that happens is blamed on BABC" without any proof.

BayAreaBhangraClub said:
It is very sad to say that our coming youth will be dealing with a lot of politics. Not accepting us at these competitions has not brought us down but it has only made us a stronger team. Thank You. [/size][/font]
It really hasn't made you a stronger team. You're bitching about it on a public forum and blaming not getting into a few competitions on politics, hate and propaganda set-up specifically against your team.

Here's my advice to you: If competitions don't accept you, then apply elsewhere. That's what a stronger team would do. Hell, there are so many teams that don't get into competitions. I hear certain competitions get 30-40 teams apply and only select 8-10. I don't see 20 teams whining about not getting in after every lineup is announced. Competitions have every right to deny you for whatever reason. I'm sorry that you think the entire state of California has vendettas against your team, I really do. But let your dancing do the speaking, not your ego and your team's sense of self-entitlement.
damn bro ... i didnt even bother to read the thread after this.

you have too much time on your hands maan. maad tilted
 

Archana

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sgrewal30 said:
ARCHANA SETHI GIVE ME THAT DAMN KARMA.
HAHA!! Khushhh puthhh. Candy bi cheye??? Ajaa saturday, mere paas bohut canda hai. Leh leh naa. Teek hai puthh. :)
 

ENVY BANG-RUH

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Love said:
Ankush said:
If it consoles anyone.. ive always dreamed of competing in Cali with AEG and regardless of this post... one day AEG will take stage in CALIFORNIA... woooo 8)
If AEG were to come to Bruin...I would be the loudest one in the audience lol.
AEG in California...Insanity can be expected


@Rajbir-Saleya, did you really just quote that entire thing...lol
 

vaibhav

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Truly, its a competitions decision on whether a team gets accepted or not! Lets just move on and think about the other big problems going on in the world: terrorism, poverty, droughts, etc. Of course it sucks that a winning team doesn't get accepted, but to sum up what I guess many have said is that a sense of professionalism/control should be present in any team that competes at any competition. Maybe we as a bhangra community should look and this and see ourselves in that same manner. Its important that all of us realize our faults and change them in order to help the bhangra community, the culture, our teams, and ourselves be once again regarded as something good.
 
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