Cherag said:
Hkiran said:
since when did a 3rd place trophy matter anyways? we got 3rd once and dont even know where the trophy is at the moment lol.
Unitil you are a judge yourself you will not know how hard it gets when you have to get down to the little things, in my judging experience 3rd is the hardest trophy to give. Teams walk in wanting a black/white answer but sometimes it just comes to to a vote by the judges and majority wins.
Regardless 3rd shouldnt be the goal of anytime, take back all the feedback you can get and bring it harder next time! And as long as you did better then your previous experience a trophy shouldnt matter at all.
3rd place wasn't actually hard to give away there was a consensus of the 1, 2, and 3 and even the 4th spot amongst all of the judges, there was no majority in decision, not in this case at least so the judging itself shouldn't be discredited. And placing period is a hard task to accomplish, amongst 10 teams to have a 30% chance of taking home a trophy, makes a competition a competition, and Ankush has already described my view on this, thanks mayne. Idk what you have done as a judge, no offense intended honestly I really don't know haha, but when it comes down to a black/white answer, TEAMS DESERVE IT, I firmly believe that it's in the job description of a judge that a team has every right to know where they flawed, and where their mastery of the art was recognized especially after spending so much time and let alone money to be competing. No team should ever leave a competition without having full security and comfortability on reason behind why they did or did not place, if they do care about this. From the moment that we left the judges meeting to the moment I left the hotel the next morning, I was continuously being asked advise, being questioned on segments, dancers etc. It was so refreshing for myself and the other two judges to have a team wanting to improve, and it went all the way from team 1 down to team 10. But every team has the right to know yes in black/white what exactly and how exactly the judging took place. I was thrilled that Motor City Bhangra and it's Committee aloud the team-judge relationship to be of such transparent nature, something that many other competitions could adopt and apply.
HK, I have to respectable disagree on your 3rd place view. Although you might be talking about that small percent of teams in the circuit that always places 1st and 2nd, I am sure the other 8+ teams would like to place, even if a team that placed third isn't happy. Now, I am sure there are some who wouldn't be. If you let those teams cool down and ask them would you rather not place at all, they would take a 3rd place trophy over not placing. There are teams in the circuit that have never placed, I am sure a 3rd trophies for them would be like winning 1st. Especially if the lineup is tough. We placed 3rd at Bayside and didn't place at all at VPD (our first comp), you better believe we wanted feedback. I can tell your from experience if a judges gave us generic answers like "you guys need more energy" and that's it. to be honest with you, teams are not stupid and can call bullshit when they see it. It is easy to tell if a judge decided half way though a teams performance if the set wasn't worth watching. Exchanges like these make a judge lose their credibility and I can tell you I would ask for that judge to be removed and discredited if they were going to judge me in the future. As a Judge and experienced coach, your views on placing teams are really disturbing. It almost suggests you don't care who places third, or because it is a hard decision you just let it slide. Not the right attitude to have IMO, and not a good public statement.
Hats off to the judges for remembering every team and giving them feedback that was relevant to them and using details like "your green jodi.." or " this segment the blue jodi.." That is really helping a team improve and you are doing wonders for the bhangra community.
Anyway, Motor City congrats on a good first year comp, regardless of the bad publicity that has been happening on BTF, I have heard good things about this comp. Best of luck next year.
