UBC Girlz @ VIBC Downtown Bhangra

[HarmanSingh]

First of all, thank you for posting our video-

Secondly, yes Mowsuf, this performance was outside in the evening and all I have to say was I don't think any of us felt our feet during the whole routine!

Further, Ok wow, I cannot believe that we are still talking about the age old boring story that women shouldn't do bhangra. Really guys, really? Yes historians it is so very true that in the age of our forefathers bhangra in it's many forms, jhummar, luddi, mirza, sammi etc was performed soley by those of the male gender. But no where in history or any bhangra rule book to my knowledge does it state that this beautiful, artistic art form is limited to men only. Bhangra is a beautiful art form. It is exhilirating, it is atheletic, it is graceful and most importantly it's one avenue for young people to stay in touch with their culture and language, so if females are also enticed by this, and chose to partake in the many positives Bhangra provides how can anyone state this is wrong? True, it may not be 'traditional' for girls to perform Bhangra due to the fact that traditionaly this art was performed by males, but tradition changes and evolves over time. There is positive change and there is negative change. In terms of Bhangra, having both genders participate in Bhangra is a positive change. Please tell me, is it not positive that thru Bhangra young people are begining to embrace the Punjabi language? Is it not positive that thru Bhangra young people are more inclined to learn about their culture? Is it not positive that Bhangra is an extracurricular activity that keeps young people busy and out of trouble? Is it not positive that Bhangra provides camaraderie, friendships, team work and a sense of patriotism? Is it not positive that Bhangra is an excellent way to stay in shape and a darn good workout? It may not be 'traditional' for girls to do Bhangra, but take a step back and observe our culture, go back in history and travel to today, many things which were 'traditional' have now evolved, and as far as Bhangra goes, this is a positive change in tradition, and I stand by this thru and thru.

Moving on, many speak of 'manly moves'. What are manly moves? Is squatting low considered manly? Is kicking high considered manly? Is jumping high considerd manly? Is having a wide stance considered manly? If the answer to all of the above is yes, then it is quite absurd, ignorant, and narrow minded to think that only men can do such things.

Let's leave Bhangra alone for a moment shall we? In the spirit of what women can and cannot do historically, physically, culturally, what about Mai Bhago (Mata Bhago) who took up arms on the battlefield along with the other male Sikh warriors? Isn't the battlefield a place historically and traditionally male dominated? Here we are talking about girls doing manly moves on the dance floor (ie, wide stances) but back in the 1700's women sikh warriors with weapons adorned, mounted on horses were fighting side by side with their male counterparts on the bloody battlefields. They fought equally next to the men, and here we are in 2009 arguing that jumping high during a bhangra squat is taboo for women...or excuse me, 'too manly'. Yes Mai Bhago Ji is is a religiously historical reference, but it is an example to the fact that on the the bloody battlefields women were taking up arms and weapons but here we are in 2009 saying that squatting on stage is 'manly'.


How about the atheletics, as I also consider Bhangra an atheletic form that requires strength, agility, power, and stamina. There are women wrestlers, martial artists (me being one of them), hockey players, soccer players, gymnasts, should these women not squat, jump, kick, grapple because this is too manly? Should I not go to my dojo today and spar in fear that my kick might be too high and therefore 'manly' and a cultural taboo?


The point here is that women are equal to men in every way, so if women are going to do Bhangra, why in the world would we not want to make every stance low, make every move powerful, make every jump high. It is this exact narrow-mindedness and gender-bias of what women can and cannot do that is holding our culture and community back.

As per your post Harman Singh Ji, you make reference that we try to act like men, and wearing chadray make us feel somehow 'manly'. You are entitled to your opinions however misguided and ignorant they may be, however I cannot pass up your comments without responding. Our team is firmly secure in our femininity, and it is quite absurd for educated women to be wanting to act like men! Do you think when we teach our team members a move we say 'do the jhummar as if you were a guy" how obscure! We perform and execute the art according to our abilities, our own translation and our own style. Sure our atheleticism and our own style allows us to be big in our moves, low in our stances, strong in our structure, and this type of capability is not just limited to men Harman Singh.

As for our team, Harkiran is right, we have two members who recently got married, and our others members are busy with grad/medical school and others busy with furthering their careers, but to still be taking out time for Bhangra shows the passion and love we have for this art. Our facial expressions to you might be over the top, but our passion for the art is over the top and this exubertes on stage thru our faces...that's just us, either you like it or you don't, we just do what we love-

As for our team riding on the fact that we are all girls, that is so 2002. There are many female teams in the circuit now and none of them have an advantage being all-female. We don't go into a competition thinking we have the advantage that we are all-female, yes, maybe this was a factor back in 2002 or 2003, but I will say nothing further to this other than the fact that our track record speaks for itself. Being all-female may have helped ride the wave for a year, but not for 7 years.

Finally, to all the women out there, unfortunatley our community and culture still has a ways to go in terms of surpassing the many gender-biases that exsist. My advice to you is if you are passionate about something, wether it be Bhangra or something else, hold your head up high and chase whatever it is you want, if your intentions are right then Waheguru will always be there for you. The UBC Girlz fight since 2002 has been gender equality not just in Bhangra but in many other realms, and the obstacles we faced and still face are manifold, but being strong, grounded, passionate and most of all always believing has allowed us to make change in our community. Sure we are just a bunch of girls doing Bhangra, but thru this we have been able to influence many young girls, troubled youth and women to step up against adversity and societal limitations put on them by narrow-minded, ignorant and biased individuals.
I am so proud of all the women in the Bhangra circuit right now, as you are the very definition of Punjabi women: strong and passionate warriors.

If I offended anyone with this post, then my sincerest apologies as that was not my intention. My plight for our community is equality, once we have that we will see less battered and suppressed wives, mothers, daughters and sisters....let's not put limitations, let's open doors......

Rab Rakha,

Mandeepak Kaur Patrola
ubc girlz bhangra team

I would suggest you re-read my original post again before posting a response like this. I never said girls shouldn't do bhangra. I never said you don't have a right to dance however you like and never said you shouldn't be dancing at all. Do what you please, and have fun doing it. More power to you. This is just a dance and there are a million more important things in the world than a bhangra competition. But you are failing to understand what I am saying.

My critique was about your PERFORMANCE...not you. I said you guys act over the top with your facial expressions...which is something EVERYONE mentioned in there "pet peeves of bhangra" thread (including you Meistro). It reflects a certain level of ignorance to be yelling and acting as if you guys are filming a movie while on stage because it looks silly and childish. Again, this is something most everyone here said they don't like...I simply pointed out the fact that you do it. Feel free to watch any video of any team considered "folk" either here or in Punjab and you will never see those type of facial expressions. I even know at a certain competition a person from a team was marked down significantly for simply winking on stage because an old school judge thought it was disrespectful (this was a man who winked).

Second, for you to even mentoin Mai Bhago in this conversation is one absurd, and two disrespectful. You girls are neither close to her nor doing ANYTHING similar to her. She was a woman who risked her life and gave her life to fighting for humanity and justice. You ladies go on stage and dance. Don't even bring this sort of thing up. It is an entirely invalid comparison and if your mind is so filled with ego to think you are even SOMEWHAT similar to her, I would suggest reading on her history and asking yourself if you dancing is at all similar. It always boggles my mind when teams act as if they are doing some sort of service to the community and world when they practice and perform. No. You aren't. You are doing something for yourself and for fun. I seriously doubt people in Punjab are sitting around celebrating the fact that we go to hotels, sing dirty bolis, get trashed and high and dance. We aren't doing shit for the culture or for the world. Mai Bhago did. So lets dismiss that sort of comparison and refrain from comparing ourselves to Sants and heroes because we are not close. Even if you have an academy and want to say you are giving little girls inspiration...you are not close to Mai Bhago. At all.

Also, as Meistro himself has said in the past (but can't say now out of his blind obsession for defending teams he is cool with)..certain things are disrespectful for women to do on stage (ie: the girl shimmying in the middle of the stage while going down, slapping her thighs, etc). You guys are behaving in a way that older generations would be appalled by on stage. Sure, women can play sports and do whatever else they want and I fully support that. But no..a woman playing kabaddi with her shirt off would be entirely unacceptable as would a woman playing kabaddi with a man. It is not part of our culture for women to go on stage in chadras, slap there thighs and shimmy. Sorry, but that is the way it is. And it is not sexist to think that way. The fact is men and women are different. And have different ways of behaving. I can't go on stage in a woman's suit and do giddha. I would be laughed off stage and viewed as a disgrace. Thats not to say women shouldnt do bhangra, because if they really want to..go for it. Its not a big deal either way. But it is important to respect certain things in our culture.

I really didn't want to go into all of that, but your post sort of required me to respond. I was simply talking about the dancing style which shows little to no grace and is focused on "hitting" the moves rather than flowing into them. You want to see a team with girls who perform with more tact and femininity? See VCU. They have girls who are respecting the culture while still performing as strong women.

Again, this was not meant to be an attack on you ladies because I do not know any of you personally and do not want to make assumptions about you all. I am simply talking about in general, these things are not cool.

To clarify one last time because I know some people have the affinity to jump to assumptions whenver girls and bhangra are mentioned..i never said girls shouldn't do bhangra.

 

[Meistro]

LOL harman why don't YOU try and re-read MY post. I never said I was down with UBC's style. I've already expressed my views about their style of bhangra in the past. I gave them props for the impact they've had on the community because thats a FACT. If you'll read my last sentence, I wrote "Sometimes u just gotta look at their motives as a group and not their questionable style of bhangra". How does that in ANY WAY say that Im cool with UBC's style? I can point out numerous things in their dance that I don't agree with. Actually I agree with your critique, BUT I said you gotta look past that sometimes. And please don't go around assuming that I praise teams that Im cool with. I don't even know the UBC girlz and I can't say that ive ever been a fan of them, but I respect what they've done for the younger generation. I don't agree with a lot of what Mandeep wrote in her post. Just because girls shouldn't be allowed to do thigh slaps and get low DOES NOT mean they're not equal to men. She's actually contradicting herself by saying "oh we do this for our culture blah blah blah" but then she says "women are equal to men". There are certain things women should and shouldn't do in our culture. This DOES NOT mean that they are any less than men. Its about RESPECT and your ROLE as a woman.

 

[HarmanSingh]

Except for the fact that you said I was "pwned", meaning you would agree with what Mandeep said and felt she had valid points. Also, their motives are fine and well..and I never questioned that. I just question their actions and results. Plus, why not give this same respect for motives to a team like JATT or St. Lungitics which you attack so vehemently along with others. But its whatever man.

Sorry, but just because UBC has won a lot does not mean I treat them any different than any other team out there. Be real, if this were a new all girls team everyone would be saying "jaloose" and "bezti" and would be telling them to stop. But what really gets me is them comparing themselves to Sants like Mai Bhago and claiming they are stopping domestic violence by going on stage dancing. It is an unbelivably simplistic and narcisistic viewpoint.

 

[Meistro]

Except for the fact that you said I was "pwned", meaning you would agree with what Mandeep said and felt she had valid points. Also, their motives are fine and well..and I never questioned that. I just question their actions and results. Plus, why not give this same respect for motives to a team like JATT or St. Lungitics which you attack so vehemently along with others. But its whatever man.

Sorry, but just because UBC has won a lot does not mean I treat them any different than any other team out there. Be real, if this were a new all girls team everyone would be saying "jaloose" and "bezti" and would be telling them to stop. But what really gets me is them comparing themselves to Sants like Mai Bhago and claiming they are stopping domestic violence by going on stage dancing. It is an unbelivably simplistic and narcisistic viewpoint.

I only wrote "pwned" because your response made her write that whole essay. But yeah, it is "whatever man". lolll, here I am telling you that you made some valid points and you're degrading my statements. lollll....oh yeah and harman I don't know you, and you think you know the relationships I have with other teams, but you have no idea.

 

[mona99]

Harman Singh you are awfully presumptuous and quick to judge therefore I was inclined to respond:

Harman Singh, first of all I am very much in tune with my religious history and the sacrifices of Mata Bhago Ji. She is one of my personal inspirations, and the inspirations derived from her can be used in all aspects of life, whether it's family, education and yes even Bhangra. If you failed to overlook I acknowledged in my previous post that I realize Mata Bhago Ji is a historical religious reference, however I am using her and her actions as an example of the capabilities of women and not comparing her as a person to any of us. So I find it quite offensive that you chose to take that route on your assumption. Mata Bhago Ji was a reference to the fact that historically and up to today women have been the equals to their male counterparts, even on the battlefield, and here we are today stating that bhangra squats are 'manly' and girls should only do this and not that, in no way and no where did I say we are Mata Bhago Ji’s equals. I gave her actions as an example of the equality, physically and otherwise between men and women. If you ever want to talk religion, or religious historic I would be happy to take that up with you.

Further, I hate to call you ignorant but you leave me no choice when you say “It always boggles my mind when teams act as if they are doing some sort of service to the community and world when they practice and perform. No. You aren't. You are doing something for yourself and for fun.” Now Harman you would only derive that conclusion from my post if you were delusional when you were reading it. Wow, I thought you would understand and see the larger picture without me having to spell it out, but the need to spell it out is apparent: Of course people do bhangra because it brings them joy who ever denied that, however Bhangra is enticing, it gets young people involved, thru this involvement young people are more inclined to learn about their language and cultural heritage, so whether directly or indirectly how is this not a service to the community and culture?

Harman Singh and Meistro, you allude to the fact that we are not respectful in certain aspects of our dance. I entirely refute that as respect and character are two things our team holds close. Our lungis are tied and adorned in a fashion that does not allow any portion of the body to be revealed. We wear leggings underneath to ensure even more coverage. In reference to our dance moves as I posted previously getting low in stances, jumping high, squatting low this cannot be defined as 'manly', it is athletic and that is our style. Shimming during a squat?! Really Harman Singh! It would be wrong if we shimmied and did a squat in a sexual or perverse way, but that is not the case. Sometimes people put their shoulders into a move, or throw an extra shake or extra height, our 'shimmy' as you call it which is actually a shoulder shake is not disrespectful if you look at the context in which it was done. It also comes down to what is ethical and what is not…doing kabbadi with your shirt off of course unethical and I’m glad you picked up on that, but squatting on stage or shaking your shoulders during a jump not unethical. We could argue about this until the sun goes down, but I would encourage you to look past the narrow-mindedness and maybe you would see the dance in a different light.

Also I would encourage you to stop stirring everyone together in the same pot as this makes you sound excessively judgmental and I make reference to your statement:” I seriously doubt people in Punjab are sitting around celebrating the fact that we go to hotels, sing dirty bolis, get trashed and high and dance. We aren't doing shit for the culture or for the world”. Well Harman Singh I don’t know which teams you affiliate with, but there are many teams out there mine included who don’t get trashed and high and then dance, and I’m sorry if you have experienced that with teams you have been on. Also, you may not have done ‘shit’ for our culture or the world, but many of us have. Look around you Harman, look at how many young people are involved in the art, how is this not a positive thing? Look at all the teams out there who thru their friendships and bonds are using Bhangra as an avenue to service the community, whether it’s thru bhangra camps, team soup kitchens, team charity fundraisers and the list goes on….

Harman you have not walked a day in our shoes, so let me tell you this, to you it might just be Bhangra, but for us, Bhangra has allowed us to reach out to the community, to reach out to troubled youth, to reach out to young girls and empower suppressed women. You see the influence of Bhangra is not just on stage but off as well. How can you so ignorantly say that Bhangra has had no impact on the community? Further, not only have Bhangra teams and dancers been able to influence our younger generation to learn more about our culture and language, but many teams out there have used Bhangra as a vehicle to invoke positive change, and contribute positively in their own communities. Our team for example has been able to use the Bhangra vehicle to address and speak up against gender in-equality, we have been able to support, and assist in the rehabilitation of battered women, we have been able to start after-school bhangra groups/ clubs so that young people have a positive activity to engage in during their free time, we have been able to hold fundraisers in the support of the local food banks and children’s hospitals, and much of the support we get from sponsors to make all this happen is due to the fact we are young women born and raised in Canada but yet fully immersed in cultural education and activity and thus positive role models for the upcoming younger generation. Don’t be mistaken, our team is not the only one, as many other college, university and independent bhangra teams are also movers and shakers and involved in the same type of activity that we are.



It is very misguided of you to think that just dancing on stage is what invokes the change and influence Bhangra has on our community and culture. It is so much more than that. Yes, seeing women dance to an art form and do it well will inspire young girls that they too are no less then their male counterparts. Watching a college group of males and females performing bhangra on stage will influence young kids to also partake and be proud of their culture. But Bhangra has a larger influence than just the stage performance. I will say it again, that Harman, it seems that you view Bhangra as just a dance, and do not look at the bigger picture. Bhangra has become an avenue thru which young people have been inspired and inclined to learn more about their language and cultural heritage. Sure it’s just bhangra, but the influence it’s been able to have is quite widespread. Those youth here in the West who just joined Bhangra because it was the cool thing to do, have now found themselves wanting to know what the lyrics of the song mean, what relevance certain moves have, they are more inclined to listen to Punjabi music, and learn more about Punjabi arts. How can this not be a positive for our language and culture? If I give my team as an example we had a few members who came on the team not knowing much Punjabi and now 4-5 years later can speak it just as well as the next person.

Bhangra is one way for many of us to keep a tie to our culture, in fact thru it many have learned and educated themselves on so many other spheres of Punjabi culture and heritage. It’s just a dance right Harman, but this little dance has had a definite impact on our Western society, you may not have seen it or experienced it, but in the last 8 years I have been involved I have seen so much of it. As for respect from our elders we have received plenty and I’m sorry if you have not been able to experience the multitude of blessings many bhangra teams are given by their elders. Why the blessings you ask, simple, even though it’s just bhangra, it’s a connection to our roots and to see young people participating in such a jovial celebration from their ancestral land why wouldn’t our elders be proud of us.

You have your own judgements and opinions, while your opinions I can respect your judgements I cannot hence my response to you. I would only hope that we as a community and as a culture can move away from bigamistic narrow-mindedness and the world will truly be our oyster. I meant no disrespect to you Harman, and if I may have offended you then my sincerest apologies. Goodness, I had no idea I had written this much so I also apologize for the lengthy response!

Rab Rakha,
Mandeepak Kaur Patrola

 

[HarmanSingh]

Mandeep,

It is not that serious. I have said my piece and do not want to get into huge conversations with you about all of this. My point is you ladies were innaproriate on stage in a number of ways as seen by 3:18 and other parts where members shimmied and winked at the crowd, which is a complete no-no even for guys teams.

I did not say you are just like every team, I said you overinflate your effect on the world by dancing. You could do all those positive things completely independant from bhangra (as many teams such as ours do). You can also must realize that bhangra has taken as many people away from our culture as it has drawn in. In fact, I would say it has taken more from our culture than it has given. Ask the old school cats on the scene if they appreciate what this has become. They are disgusted in a number of ways. Everyone wants to be a Velli or "folk" not understanding our land's history and heritage. Most people are competitions don't even understand Punjabi or couldn't tell you the simplest of things like who Maharaja Ranjit Singh was or the details of the Partition of India yet claim to be all about Punjab. No. They are all about bhangra. Big difference. And anyone with 2 eyes could see what these competitions are doing to our culture. It does not take a genius to figure it out. Bhangra is a gimmick to entice youth? Well that gimmick is taking our youth away from our culture. So we must either acknowledge that or accept the effects it has on our people.

My thoughts were neither "bigamist" or narrow minded in my approach to this situation. But women and men in Punjabi culture are different. And to simply ignore that is to ignore parts of our culture. Obviously, aspects like female infanticide and domestic abuse must be addressed and changed immedietely..but girls dancing on stage like men? Sorry. Not a big deal.

 

[mona99]

Harman, my previous post was to refute any mis -guidance about the impact Bhangra both on and off stage has had in our communities. You are right my friend, the community can definitley be serviced and is serviced independent of Bhangra by sleughs of people every where, but this was not the point nor the context as the topic was how bhangra has influenced our community and society. Anyhow take care and it was a pleasure.

Rab Rakha

 

[Vick]

The point here is that women are equal to men in every way, so if women are going to do Bhangra, why in the world would we not want to make every stance low, make every move powerful, make every jump high. It is this exact narrow-mindedness and gender-bias of what women can and cannot do that is holding our culture and community back.

Hate to slap a little reality into this women empowering essay written here, but I really don't think women are equal to men in every way. Until a woman plays in the NFL, women will never be equal to men... And thats never going to happen, so I guess you all are outta luck... and to top it off, the best cooks in the world are men as well, yes we own the kitchen as well... hahaha...

 

[Sukhdip S. Chhina]

Nicely said Harman and i totally agree with you in the aspect that having such facial expressions is inappropriate!

 

[Meistro]

The point here is that women are equal to men in every way, so if women are going to do Bhangra, why in the world would we not want to make every stance low, make every move powerful, make every jump high. It is this exact narrow-mindedness and gender-bias of what women can and cannot do that is holding our culture and community back.

I would love to see an all woman's kabaddi match happen. If woman can do everything men can, then why can't they strip down to just shorts and oil themselves up and wrestle each other? OH WAIT, culturally that would not be accepted. BUT, according to mandeep "why in the world" would women not do it how men do it? sheesh. I understand what Mandeep is saying, but it is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT to what harman said initially. She went on a bit of a tangent and her essays have nothing to do with what me or harman said about their dancing style. THis discussion all started with Harman's OPINION that the UBC girlz shouldn't do moves a certain way. I agree with him. Gender roles in a culture don't necessarily mean they're holding women back. When a girl in bhangra is PERFORMING and ENTERTAINING a crowd, its not a dance to show how EQUAL TO A MAN you are. Its to show your beauty, your femininity, your grace.

 

[mona99]

I knew that line "women are equal to men in every way' would definitley be taken out of context. The context in which were speaking was bhangra, and the atheletics involved, and thus in terms of capability women are equals. For example, sure, we may not be able to lift as heavy, or throw down more push-ups but that doesn't mean we can't do push-ups.

There are obvious norms that are appropriate for women vs men and vice versa in our culture which I and I'm sure every other female on this forum are well aware of. In terms of Bhangra it is translated and depicted in a variety of different ways and styles by teams and people across the globe, in our translation of it we like to have the low stances, the high jumps and energy, but in doing so we are in now way disrespecting or dishonouring the dance nor Punjabi women. We have been performing bhangra for almost 8 years now, and had we been disrespecting our culture, and our women I would not be sitting here having this drawn out conversation with you. Having been in this game for a while I know there will be rebuttles to my posts and thoughts, and this infact is encouraged but there is really nothing more I can say on this topic...I've said my peace, and my apologies if I may have offended anyone.

Rab Rakha Always,

MKP

 

[Vick]

To be honest with you, I actually find UBC to be pretty entertaining although I believe that some of your dancers may have some manly genes or something cause I dont know how you guys pull off some of that shit... haha..

 

[Meistro]

UBC grls are sick

opinion

mona is absolutely right

opinion

facial expression shouldnt even care.

doesnt make sense, but yeah opinion

seriously if ur having fun . thats all it matter.

opinion


Thanks for expressing your opinions Turabali. We've voiced ours. We didn't bash on UBC girlz, just commented on what we didnt agree with. I'd assume that such a renowned team such as UBC could take some sort of criticism right? otherwise wouldn't that be a shame.

 

[Tuckerrrr]

I would love to see an all woman's kabaddi match happen. If woman can do everything men can, then why can't they strip down to just shorts and oil themselves up and wrestle each other? OH WAIT, culturally that would not be accepted.

We'll you're gonna love this then: there is such a thing as women's kabaddi. They even have it at the world championships. Check youtube.

 

[Meistro]

I didnt think bhangra can be so political.

Its not really political. But since theres such a wide range of resources now, we're all becoming more educated on the artform. We are beginning to realize what is and isnt acceptable on stage. Aside from that, I've always opposed the notion of girls dancing like guys. I've said this before, but watch last year's 3D girls or the VCU girls. They are perfect models of how bhangra should be done by girls. But yea, I think you've got my point by now.

 

[Kanvar]

hmmm maybe its because my sister dances on nba,

but as much as i joke around with then i think that its a good thing to have girls teams no matter what style they dance. if this was NJ Girls would we be saying they dance too manly? has anyone seen their video?

and to say watchin team X is a perfect example of how a girl should dance is very sexist. you might as well say watchin team Y is a perfect example of how a guy should dance. if everyone danced exactly the same then there wouldnt be anything unique about any team.

bhangra should be done one way regardless of gender. as a captain of a coed team i dont give my girls any special consideration b/c they are girls; except on moves that generally are unacceptable such as slapping your thigh or moves of this sort.

 

[Arjun Barua]

if this was NJ Girls would we be saying they dance too manly? has anyone seen their video?

I've seen both teams live. NJ Girls and UBC Girlz have two very different styles.

 

[Chidiya]

There are deff kabadi matches between woman, i've seen it in my moms pind.

Andddd, this was a great performance, will we be seeing you girls at any comps soon?

 

[AnnayPaul]

go PATROOLLA !!

 

[Kanvar]

my point wasn't about style it was about them dancing "manly," which was a point made earlier in this discussion.